Recently, I sat down with my good friend Michael Pates at cylindr magazine on the Rule of Law podcast to discuss ethnocide, Reconstruction, and the work of the Sustainable Culture Lab. Honestly, most of our conversations include one of these topics, and despite the seriousness of our work, we still find a way to laugh a lot. Unlike most of our conversations, we decided to record this one. I hope you enjoy our fun, yet serious conversation.
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