How Can You Practice 'Freedom With' With People Who Practice 'Freedom From'

Writer and professor Justin Scott Campbell sits down with philosopher Barrett Holmes Pittner for a deep dive into “freedom with” versus “freedom from.” Together, they explore the difference between “freedom from” — liberation through separation — and “freedom with,” the ongoing practice of building shared freedom alongside others. From the Reconstruction era to present-day politics, from parenting lessons to neighborhood dynamics, they examine how fear, trauma, and cultural habits shape our relationships. The discussion offers a thoughtful challenge: how can we practice “freedom with” even when others aren’t interested in sharing it?